Ancestors of Tim Farr and The Descendants of Stephen Farr


Robert IRBY [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2. Robert married Jane LOWDHAM.

Jane LOWDHAM [Parents] 1. Jane married Robert IRBY.

They had the following children.

  M i Bennett IRBY.

Sir Robert GAINSBY 1.

A Knight

He had the following children.

  F i GAINSBY.

Robert IRBY [scrapbook] 1, 2. Robert married FLYTON.

A. I. ROBERT ERBEYE or IRBY of LACEBY, LINCS. (temp. Ed. III).

Married___d. and co-heiress of Herbert Flynton and Cecilia d. and co-heiress of Sir Walter de la Lynde (living in 1316 and dead before Michaelmas 1320), Lord of Laceby, Lincs.

Herbert Flvnton was born in 1281. and married Cecilia de Ia Lynde in, or before, 1314. The following extracts refer to his age and marriage, etc.

Calendar of In quests, Vol. III, Ed. III, p. 294.
"Proof of age as to a person born in Holderness taken at York, Sept. 5th, 1331. Witnesses included Herbert de Flynton, aged 50."

Calendar of Chancery In quests A.Q.D. (P.R.O. List XVII, p. 149. Lincs and Somerset, 8 Ed. II (1314).
"Grant by Walter de la Lynde of half the manor of Laceby, and half the advowson of the church there to Herbert de Flynton, Cecily his wife, and the heirs of their bodies."

Common Pleas Roll for Easter, 9 Ed. II (1315), Roll 214, mem. 5 d.
On this is enrolled the agreement between Walter and Herbert and Cecily.

Feet of Fines, Lincs, 10 Ed. II (1316), No. 29.
"Final concord between Herbert de Flynton and Cecily his wife, querent. and Walter de la Lynde, deforciant, of moiety of the manor of Leysseby and a moiety of the

2  The IRBYS of LINCOLNSHIRE

advowson of the church of the same manor, which Walter granted to Herbert and Cecily and to the heirs by Herbert of the body of Cecily, with the remainder to Walter and his heirs."

Yorks Arch. Soc. (Rec. Series), XLII, Fines 1327/47, p.18.
Herbert de Flynton took a messuage in Flynton (Yorks) from Robert le Taillour in 1329.

Laceby Subsidy Roll, 1327.
Herbert de Flynton, Robert de Riby and Walter de la Launde are mentioned. Robert de Riby might be a mispelling of Robert de Ireby as names in these old documents are variously spelt; on the other hand there is a place called Riby not far from Laceby.

De la Lynde.
History of Dorset, John Hutchins (1873), Vol. IV, p. 479, gives a pedigree of the De la Lyndes, mentioning Sir Walter de la Lynde, Kt., 25 years of age in 1273, and living in 1316, died before March 1320 leaving no male heir, but five daughters including Cecilia, who married  Herbert de Flynton before March 1316, and Margery, who married John atte Grene before 1320. In the narrative account of the family the property is said to have included land in Suffolk, Surrey, Leysby, near Grimsby in Lines, and Scaleby in Cumberland. There is a monument to William Launde ob. 1424 in the church at Laccby; this is probably the William who was born in 1345, great great grandson of the above Sir Walter de Lynde.

Issue. Robert (B. I).

FLYTON [Parents] 1, 2. FLYTON married Robert IRBY.

They had the following children.

  M i Robert IRBY.

Sir John LOWDHAM 1.

A Knight

He had the following children.

  F i Jane LOWDHAM.

Herbert FLYTON 1, 2. Herbert married LYNDE.

An Esquire

LYNDE [Parents] 1, 2. LYNDE married Herbert FLYTON.

They had the following children.

  F i FLYTON.

John Lackland PLANTAGENET King of England [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 was born 7, 8 on 24 Dec 1166 in Beaumont Palace, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom. He died 9, 10 on 19 Oct 1216 in Newark Castle, Nottinghamshire, England, United Kingdom. He was buried in Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom. John married 11, 12 Queen Isabella de Angoulême TAILLEFER on 24 Aug 1200 in Bordeaux, Gascogne, France.

Other marriages:
, Clemence

Reigned 1199-1216. Signed Magna Carta in 1215 at Runnymede. His reign saw renewal of war with Phillip II Augustus of France to whom he has lost several continental possesions including Normandy by 1205. He came into conflict with his Barons and was forced to Sign the Magna Carta. His later repudiation of the charter led to the first barons war 1215-17 during which John died. Burke says he was born in 1160. King of Ireland 1177, Count of Mortain 1189, Earl of Gloucester.

JOHN (1199-1216)

John (reigned 1199-1216) was an able administrator interested in law and government but he neither trusted others nor was trusted by them. Heavy taxation, disputes with the Church (John was excommunicated by the Pope in 1209) and unsuccessful attempts to recover his French possessions made him unpopular. Many of his barons rebelled and in June 1215 they forced the King to sign a peace treaty accepting their reforms.

This treaty, later known as Magna Carta, limited royal powers, defined feudal obligations between the King and the barons, and guaranteed a number of rights. The most influential clauses concerned the freedom of the Church; the redress of grievances of owners and tenants of land; the need to consult the Great Council of the Realm so as to prevent unjust taxation; mercantile and trading relationships; regulation of the machinery of justice so that justice be denied to no one; and the requirement to control the behaviour of royal officials. The most important clauses established the basis of habeas corpus ('you have the body'), i.e. that no one shall be imprisoned except by due process of law, and that 'to no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay right or justice'.

The Charter also established a council of barons who were to ensure that the Sovereign observed the Charter, with the right to wage war on him if he did not. Magna Carta was the first formal document insisting that the Sovereign was as much under the rule of law as his people, and that the rights of individuals were to be upheld even against the wishes of the sovereign. As a source of fundamental constitutional principles, Magna Carta came to be seen as an important definition of aspects of English law, and in later centuries as the basis of the liberties of the English people.

As a peace treaty Magna Carta was a failure and the rebels invited Louis of France to become their king. When John died in 1216 England was in the grip of civil war.

Queen Isabella de Angoulême TAILLEFER [Parents] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 was born 6 in 1188 in Angouleme, Charente, France. She died 7, 8, 9 on 31 May 1246 in Fontevraud, Maine-et-Loire, France. She was buried in Fontevrault Abbey, Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, France. Isabella married 10, 11 John Lackland PLANTAGENET King of England on 24 Aug 1200 in Bordeaux, Gascogne, France.

She was betrothed to Hugh before she married John. After John's death she retired to her native city and eventually married Hugh after about 3 years. Countess of Angoulême 1202.

John married (2nd) at Bordeaux 24 August 1200 ISABEL OF ANGOULÊMExe “England, John, King of & Isabel of Angoulême”xe “Angoulême, Isabel of & John, King of England”, daughter and heiress of Adémar (or Aimar) III Tailleferxe “Taillefer”, Count of Angoulêmexe “Angoulême, Adémar (or Aimar) III Taillefer, Count of”, by Alice (or Alaïs, Alaidis), daughter of Pierre of Francexe “France, Pierre of”, seigneur of Courtenayxe “Courtenay”, Montargis XE "Montargis" , and Châteaurenard XE "Châteaurenard"  (younger son of Louis VI, King of Francexe “France, Louis VI, King of”).  She was born in 1188, and was previously contracted to marry Hugues IX le Brunxe “Brun” (died Nov. 1219), Count of La Marchexe “La Marche”xe “Marche”, seigneur of Lusignanxe “Lusignan” and Couhéxe “Couhé”.  She was crowned queen 8 Oct. 1200.

Marriage Notes:

MARRIAGE: date is from Internet: http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/cgi-bin/gedlkup/n=royal?royal01364

They had the following children.

  M i Henry III PLANTAGENET King of England was born on 1 Oct 1207. He died on 15 Jun 1272.
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Richard Prince of ENGLAND [scrapbook] 1, 2 was born on 5 Jan 1208/1209 in Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom. He died on 2 Apr 1272 in Berkhampsted, Berkhampsted, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom. He was buried on 13 Apr 1272 in Hailes Abbey, Hailes, Gloucestershire, England, United Kingdom.

RICHARD OF ENGLAND, Knt., Earl of Cornwallxe “Cornwall, Richard, Earl of”, Count of Poitouxe “Poitou, Richard, Count of”, King of the Romansxe “Romans, Richard, King of the” (or King of Almainxe “Almain, Richard, King of”), married (1st) ISABEL MARSHALxe “Marshal”; (2nd) SANCHE (or SANCHIA) OF PROVENCExe “Provence”; (3rd) BEATRICE DE FALKENBURGxe “Falkenburg”
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Joane Princess of ENGLAND 1, 2 was born on 22 Jul 1210 in Coucy, Alsne, France. She died on 4 Mar 1237/1238 in London, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom. She was buried in Tarrant, Keynstan, Dorsetshire, England, United Kingdom.

JOAN OF ENGLANDxe “England, Joan of & Alexander II, King of Scotland”xe “Scotland, Alexander II, King of Scotland & Joan of England”, born at Gloucester 22 July 1210.  In 1214 she was contracted to marry Geoffrey de Lusignan XE “Lusignan” , son of Hugh de Lusignan, Count of la Marche, which marriage did not take place.  She married at York, Yorkshire 19 June 1221 (as his 1st wife) ALEXANDER II, King of Scotlandxe “Scotland”, Knt., son and heir of William the Lion, King of Scotlandxe “Scotland, William the Lion, King of”, by Ermengarde, daughter of Richard, Vicomte of Beaumontxe “Beaumont” and Sainte-Suzannexe “Sainte-Suzanne”.  He was born at Haddington, East Lothian 24 August 1198.  They had no issue.  He was crowned at Scone 6 Dec. 1214.  Joan died at York, Yorkshire 4 March 1237/8, buried at Tarrant Keynstan, Dorset.  Alexander II married (2nd) 15 May 1239 Mary de Coucyxe “Coucy, Marie de”, 2nd daughter of Enguerrand III de Coucyxe “Coucy, Enguerrand de”, seigneur of Coucy.  They had one son, Alexander (III) [King of Scotlandxe “Scotland”].  Alexander II, King of Scotlandxe “Scotland”, died at Kerrera in the bay of Oban 8 July 1249, and was buried at Melrose Abbey.
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Isabel Princess of ENGLAND 1, 2 was born in 1214 in of, Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom. She died on 1 Dec 1241 in Foggia, Apulia, Italy. She was buried in Andria, Bari, Apulia, Italy.

ISABEL OF ENGLANDxe “England, Isabel of & Frederick II, Emperor of the Romans”xe “Frederick II, Emperor of the Romans & Isabel of England”, born at Gloucester 1214.  She married at Worms 15 or 20 July 1235 (as his 4th wife) FREDERICK (or FRIEDRICH) II, Emperor of the Romans, King of Jerusalemxe “Jerusalem” and Sicilyxe “Sicily”, Duke of Apulia XE “Apulia” , Prince of Capua XE “Capua” , son and heir of Heinrich VI, Holy Roman Emperor, King of Sicilyxe “Sicily”, by Constance, daughter of Roger II, King of Sicilyxe “Sicily”.  He was born at Iesi 26 Dec. 1194.  They had four children, including two sons,Heinrich and Frederick (or Friedrich), and one daughter, Margarethe (wife of Albrecht II, Margrave of Meissen, Landgrave of Thüringen).  Isabel died in childbirth at Foggia 1 Dec. 1241, and was buried at Andria Cathedral.  Emperor FREDERICK II died at Fiorentino Castle in Lucera 13 Dec. 1250.  Their daughter, Margarethe, is a remote ancestress of the house of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha.
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Eleanor Princess of ENGLAND 1 was born in 1215 in Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom. She died on 13 Apr 1275 in Montargis, Loiret, France. She was buried in Montargis, Loiret, France.

ELEANOR OF ENGLAND XE “England, Eleanor of” , married (1st) WILLIAM MARSHALxe “Marshal”, 5th Earl of Pembrokexe “Pembroke”; (2nd) SIMON DE MONTFORTxe “Montfort”, Earl of Leicester.

Henry II PLANTAGENET King of England [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 was born 7, 8, 9, 10 on 5 Mar 1133 in Le Mans, Anjou, France. He died 11, 12 on 6 Jul 1189 in Chinon Castle, Indre et Loire, France. He was buried on 8 Jul 1189 in Fontevrault Abbey, Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, France. Henry married 13, 14, 15, 16 Elbeonore Princess of AQUITAINE on 18 May 1151 in Bordeaux Cathedral, Bordeaux, France.

Other marriages:
PLANTAGENET, Ida (Bigod) Countess of Norfolk

Henry II, King of England, was born at Le Mans, Normandy in 1133.  As the son of Count Geoffrey Plantagenet of Anjou and Matilda, daughter of King Henry I, Henry became Duke of Normandy in 1150, and after his father's death in 1151, was named Count of Anjou.

In 1152 he married Eleanor of Aquitaine, thereby acquiring the Duchy of Aquitaine.  When Henry became King of England, after Stephen's death in 1154, he reigned over one of the most extensive realms in western Europe.

Henry II's first objective as King was to regain the royal powers of his grandfather King Henry I.  He did this by reclaiming royal lands and castles, by recovering northern English counties from the Scots, and by revamping the systems of finance, administration, and justice.

His early success, however, did not aid Henry in his attempts to re-establish the acceptance of the Church customs of his grandfather's time.  Henry met with strong opposition from Thomas a Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, who resisted Henry's wishes for regal authority in punishing convicted clergy of crimes.  Becket felt that this power should be reserved for the Church courts, not the throne. In turn, Henry exiled Becket, and in 1170, Becket was murdered by four of Henry's knights who hoped that the killing would please Henry.  On the contrary, Becket's death left Henry with a feeling of great distress, and he prudently escaped to Ireland while matters settled down.  In 1171, while on temporary leave, he was accepted as Lord of Ireland.

King Henry II reconciled with the Church in 1172, but other problems were on the horizon.  In 1173 family matters boiled to the point of rebellion.  After years of being constantly unfaithful to his wife, Eleanor, and of denying his sons the power their titles should have secured, Henry was plotted against by his family who allied themselves with King Louis VII of France, the Count of Flanders, King William of Scotland, and other dissatisfied nobles.  Henry, being sufficiently warned and protected by loyal, capable officers, managed to defeat the rebels and to capture his wife in 1174.

During his later years, Henry II was successful in making constructive changes in England.  His greatest achievements include drawing up laws and organizing the courts to administer them properly and professionalizing the entire administration in general to allow his country more justice than it had ever known.

Despite Henry's great accomplishments, the quarrels and jealousies of his sons persisted.  In 1189 Henry was forced to make humiliating peace, and, broken by the attacks of his sons, he died two days later on July 6, 1189 at Chinon, France.

Major Events

1150 - Named Duke of Normandy.
1151 - Named Count of Anjou.
1152 - Married Eleanor of Aquitaine.
1170 - Murder of Archbishop of Canterbury; Henry left for Ireland.
1171 - Became Lord of Ireland.
1172 - Reconciled with the Church.
1173 - Family rebeled against him.
1174 - Defeated the rebels.
1189 - Family humiliated Henry; he died.

Did you know?

King Henry II's reconstruction of the justice system in England led to great progress in his time.  By using the Roman legal concept of a distinction between the possession of property and the absolute right to property, Henry made it possible for those who had been physically dispossessed of their land to get a fair trial in court, instead of having to duel for the land.

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HENRY II CURTMANTLE (r. 1154-1189)

Henry II ruled over an empire which stretched from the Scottish border to the Pyrenees. One of the strongest, most energetic and imaginative rulers, Henry was the inheritor of three dynasties who had acquired Aquitaine by marriage; his charters listed them: 'King of the English, Duke of the Normans and Aquitanians and Count of the Angevins'. The King spent only 13 years of his reign in England; the other 21 years were spent on the continent in his territories in what is now France. Henry's rapid movements in carrying out his dynastic responsibilities astonished the French king, who noted 'now in England, now in Normandy, he must fly rather than travel by horse or ship'.

By 1158, Henry had restored to the Crown some of the lands and royal power lost by Stephen; Malcom IV of Scotland was compelled to return the northern counties. Locally chosen sheriffs were changed into royally appointed agents charged with enforcing the law and collecting taxes in the counties. Personally interested in government and law, Henry made use of juries and re-introduced the sending of justices (judges) on regular tours of the country to try cases for the Crown. His legal reforms have led him to be seen as the founder of English Common Law.

Henry's disagreements with the Archbishop of Canterbury (the king's former chief adviser), Thomas à Becket, over Church-State relations ended in Becket's murder in 1170 and a papal interdict on England. Family disputes over territorial ambitions almost wrecked the king's achievements. Henry died in France in 1189, at war with his son Richard, who had joined forces with King Philip of France to attack Normandy.

Elbeonore Princess of AQUITAINE [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3 was born 4, 5 in 1123 in Chateau de Belin, Guinne, France. She died 6, 7 on 31 Mar 1204 in Fontevraud Abbey, Maine-et-Loire, France. She was buried in Abbaye De Fontevrault, Fontevrault, France. Elbeonore married 8, 9, 10, 11 Henry II PLANTAGENET King of England on 18 May 1151 in Bordeaux Cathedral, Bordeaux, France.

Queen Eleanor - In an age known largely for the exploits of kings, princes, dukes, and their warriors, Eleanor of Aquitaine stood out as one of the most remarkable of women. She was the wife and mother of kings and a dominant political force in the Europe of her time.

When her fagther died in 1137 she inherited his domain, which was larger than that ruled by the king of France. The same year she married the heir to the French throne, who became King Louis VII a month afterward. During their 15-year marriage, she exerted considerable influence upon the running of the country and even accompanied him on the Second Crusade from 1147 to 1149. His jealousy led to separation, and the marriage was annulled; but she regained possession of Aquitaine.

In 1152 she married Henry Plantagenet, who became Henry II of England two years later. Together they had eight children, among whom were Richard I the Lion-Hearted and John, both of whom later became kings of England. This union brought together England, Aquitaine, Anjou, and Normandy under one rule. Two centuries later England's various French possessions became an underlying cause of the Hundred Years' War.

After the revolt of her sons against Henry II, Eleanor was kept in semi-confinement from 1174 to 1189, when Henry died. She then became active in affairs of state under her son Richard I and, after his death without an heir in 1199, under John. She worked for peace between France and England and helped preserve John's French domains. Eleanor died on April 1, 1204, in the monastery at Fontevrault in Anjou.

Then King Henry married Rosamond de Clifford. Rosamond was born about 1136 in Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire, England. She was the daughter of Walter de Clifford and Margaret de Toni. She died about 1176 in Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England .

They had the following children.

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William Prince of ENGLAND 1, 2 was born on 17 Aug 1152 in Le Mans, France. He died in Apr 1156 in Wallingford Castle, Wallingford, Berkshire, England, United Kingdom. He was buried in Reading, Berkshire, England, United Kingdom.
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Henry Prince of ENGLAND [scrapbook] 1, 2 was born on 28 Mar 1155 in Bermandsey Palace, London, England, United Kingdom. He died on 11 Jun 1183 in Chcateau De Mortel, Turenne, Aquitaine, France. He was buried in Rouen, Normandie, France.

HENRY OF ENGLAND (styled “the Young King”)xe “England, Henry, King of & Margaret of France”xe “France, Margaret of & Henry, King of England”, born at Bermondsey, Surrey 28 Feb. 1155, Duke of Normandyxe “Normandy”, Count of Anjouxe “Anjou” and Mainexe “Maine”, crowned joint King of England 14 June 1170.  He married at Neubourg in Normandy 2 Nov. 1160 MARGARET (or MARGUERITE) OF FRANCExe “France”, 1st daughter of Louis VII le Jeune (or le Pieux), King of Francexe “France”, by his 2nd wife, Constance, daughter of Alfonso VIII, King of Castilexe “Castile” and Leónxe “León”.  They had one son, William, born 19 June 1177, died in a few days.  He was recrowned together with his queen in 1172.  He rebelled in 1173-74 and again in 1183.  HENRY OF ENGLANDxe “England”, joint King of England (with his father), died at Château Martel in Touraine 11 June 1183, and was buried in Rouen Cathedral.  His widow, Margaret, married (2nd) shortly after 24 August 1186 (as his 4th wife) Bela III, King of Hungaryxe “Hungary”, Dalmatiaxe “Dalmatia”, Croatiaxe “Croatia”, and Rama XE “Rama” , son of Geza II, King of Hungary.  They had no issue.  Bela III, King of Hungary, died 23 April 1196, and was buried at Székesfehervar.  Following her husband Bela III's death, Margaret made a pilgrimage to the Holy Land.  She died at Acre shortly after 10 Sept. 1197.
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Matilda Princess of ENGLAND 1 was born in 1156 in London, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom. She was christened in Aldgate, London, Middlesex, England, United Kingdom. She died on 28 Jun 1189 in Brunswick, Germany. She was buried in St Blasius, Braunschweig, Braunschweig, Germany.

MAUD OF ENGLANDxe “Saxony, Heinrich, Duke of & Maud of England”xe “England, Maud of & Heinrich, Duke of Saxony & Bavaria”, born at London 1156.  She married at Minden 1 Feb. 1168 (as his 2nd wife) HEINRICH (nicknamed the Lion), Duke of Saxonyxe “Saxony” and Bavariaxe “Bavaria”, son and heir of Heinrich, Duke of Bavariaxe “Bavaria”, by Gertrude, daughter of Lothar III, Holy Roman Emperor.  They had four sons, Heinrich, Lothar, Otto IV [King of the Romansxe “Romans”, Count of Poitouxe “Poitou”], and Wilhelm [Count of Lüneburgxe “Lüneburg”], and two daughters, Maud (wife of Geoffrey III, Count of Perchexe “Perche”, and Enguerrand III, Count of Coucyxe “Coucy”) and Richza (wife of Waldemar II, King of Denmarkxe “Denmark”).  He was deprived of both Bavaria and Saxony in 1180 and spent his remaining years in exile at the court of his father-in-law, King Henry II, or at Danwarderode Castle in Brunswick.  In 1194 he was guaranteed possession of his Saxon allodial lands.  Maud died at Brunswick 28 June 1189.  Henry died 6 August 1195.  They were buried in the collegiate church of St. Blaise, now Brunswick Cathedral in Brunswick, Germany.  They are direct ancestors of House of Hanoverxe “Hanover”, the royal house of England from 1714 to 1901.
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Richard "Cæur de Lion" King of ENGLAND [scrapbook] 1, 2 was born 3 on 8 Sep 1157 in Oxford, England, United Kingdom. He died 4 on 6 Apr 1199 in Castle of Chalus, Limosin, France. He was buried 5 in Fontevraud, Maine-et-Loire, France.





RICHARD I COEUR DE LION (THE LIONHEART) (r. 1189-199)

Henry's elder son, Richard I (reigned 1189-99), fulfilled his main ambition by going on crusade in 1190, leaving the ruling of England to others. After his victories over Saladin at the siege of Acre and the battles of Arsuf and Jaffa, concluded by the treaty of Jaffa (1192), Richard was returning from the Holy Land when he was captured in Austria. In early 1193, Richard was transferred to Emperor Henry VI's custody.

In Richard's absence, King Philip of France failed to obtain Richard's French possessions through invasion or negotiation. In England, Richard's brother John occupied Windsor Castle and prepared an invasion of England by Flemish mercenaries, accompanied by armed uprisings. Their mother, Queen Eleanor, took firm action against John by strengthening garrisons and again exacting oaths of allegiance to the king. John's subversive activities were ended by the payment of a crushing ransom of 150,000 marks of silver to the emperor, for Richard's release in 1194. Warned by Philip's famous message 'look to yourself, the devil is loosed', John fled to the French court.

On his return to England, Richard was recrowned at Winchester in 1194. Five years later he died in France during a minor siege against a rebellious baron. By the time of his death, Richard had recovered all his lands. His success was short-lived. In 1199 his brother John became king and Philip successfully invaded Normandy. By 1203, John had retreated to England, losing his French lands of Normandy and Anjou by 1205.

DEATH: Slain by an arrow
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Geoffrey Prince of ENGLAND 1, 2 was born on 23 Sep 1158 in England, United Kingdom. He died on 19 Aug 1186 in Paris, France. He was buried in Notre Dame, Paris, , France.

GEOFFREY OF ENGLAND, 4th son, born 23 Sept. 1158, in right of his wife, Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany” and Earl of Richmondxe “Richmond”.  He married about July 1181 by dispensation (they being related in the 3rd and 4th degrees of kindred) CONSTANCE OF BRITTANYxe “England, Geoffrey of & Constance of Brittany”xe “Brittany, Constance of & Geoffrey of England”, daughter and heiress of Conan IV le Petit, Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany”, Earl of Richmondxe “Richmond”, by Margaret, daughter of Henry of Scotlandxe “Scotland”, Earl of Northumberlandxe “Northumberland”.  She was born about 1161.  They had three children (see below).  In 1184 they founded a chaplaincy in Rouen Cathedral for the soul of his late brother, Henry.  In 1185 they issued an assize regulating the succession of lands in Brittany.  GEOFFREY, Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany”, Earl of Richmondxe “Richmond”, was killed in a tournament at Paris 19 August 1186, and was buried there in the quire of Nôtre Dame Cathedral.  His widow, Constance, married (2nd) 3 Feb. 1188 (or 1189) (as his 1st wife) RANULPH III, Earl of Chesterxe “Chester, Ranulph III, Earl of”, and, in right of his wife, Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany” and Earl of Richmondxe “Richmond”, which marriage was annulled in 1199, presumably on grounds on consanguinity.  They had no issue.  She married (3rd) before Oct. 1199 (as his 1st wife) Guy de Thouars XE “Thouars, Guy de & Constance of Brittany”  XE “Brittany, Constance of & Guy de Thouars” , in right of his 1st wife, Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany”, Earl of Richmond, younger son of Geoffroi IV, Vicomte of Thouars.  They had two daughters, Alice (wife of Pierre de Brainexe “Braine” (nicknamed Mauclerc), Knt., Duke of Brittanyxe “Brittany”, Earl of Richmondxe “Richmond”) and Katherine (wife of André III de Vitréxe “Vitré”, seigneur of Vitré).  Constance, Duchess of Brittanyxe “Brittany”, died testate at Nantes 4 (or 5) Sept. 1201, and was eventually buried at Villeneuve.  Guy de Thouars served as regent of Brittany on behalf of his daughter, Alice, from 1203 to 1213.  He married (2nd) Eustache de Mauléonxe “Mauléon”, widow of Guillaume V, Vicomte of Aunay XE “Aunay” , and daughter of Pierre d'Argenton XE “Argenton” .  They had two sons, Pierre [seigneur of Chemillé, Mortagne, and Brissac] and Thomas.  In Oct. 1203 Guy was granted the castles of Chemillé and Brissac by King Philippe Auguste of France XE “France, Philippe Auguste, King of” .  In 1204 he led the Breton invasion of southern Normandy.  He died at Chemillé 13 April 1213, and was eventually buried at Villeneuve.  His widow, Eustache, married (3rd) Renaud de Maulèvrier XE “Maulèvrier” .  She was living in 1244.
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Philip Prince of ENGLAND 1 was born about 1160 in of, , England, United Kingdom. He died in BET 1160 AND 1162.
  F vii Eleanor Princess of ENGLAND was born on 13 Oct 1162. She died on 25 Oct 1214.
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Joanna Princess of ENGLAND 1 was born in Oct 1164/1165 in Angers, Pays de la Loire, France. She died on 4 Sep 1199 in Rouen, Normandie, France. She was buried in Fontevrault-l'Abbaye, Pays de la Loire, France.

JOAN (or JEANNE) OF ENGLANDxe “England, Joan of & William II, King of Sicily”xe “Sicily, William II, King of & Joan of England”, born at Angers Oct. 1165.  She married (1st) at Palermo 13 Feb. 1177 WILLIAM (or GUGLIELMO) II le Bon, King of Sicilyxe “Sicily”, Duke of Apuliaxe “Apulia”, Prince of Capuaxe “Capua”, son of William I, King of Sicilyxe “Sicily”, Duke of Apuliaxe “Apulia”, by Margaret, daughter of García VI Ramirezxe “Ramirez”, King of Navarrexe “Navarre”.  They had one son, Bohemond [Duke of Apuliaxe “Apulia”].  WILLIAM II, King of Sicilyxe “Sicily”, died at Palermo 18 Nov. 1189.  His widow, Joan, married (2nd) at Rouen, Normandy Oct. 1196 (as his 4th wife) RAYMOND VI XE “Toulouse, Raymond VI, Count of & Joan of England”  XE “England, Joan of & Raymond VI, Count of Toulouse” , Duke of Narbonnexe “Narbonne”, Count of Toulouse, Marquis of Provencexe “Provence”, son of Raymond V, Count of Toulousexe “Toulouse”, Duke of Narbonne, Marquis of Provence, by [Queen] Constance, Countess of St. Gilles, daughter of Louis VI, King of Francexe “France”.  They had one son, Raymond VII [Count of Toulousexe “Toulouse”, Marquis of Provencexe “Provence”], and one child who died at birth.  JOAN, Queen of Sicilyxe “Sicily”, Duchess of Narbonnexe “Narbonne”, etc., died testate at Rouen 24 Sept. 1199.  RAYMOND VI, Duke of Narbonnexe “Narbonne”, Count of Toulouse, etc., died testate 2 August 1222.  No living descendants.
  M ix John Lackland PLANTAGENET King of England was born on 24 Dec 1166. He died on 19 Oct 1216.

John Lackland PLANTAGENET King of England [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 was born 7, 8 on 24 Dec 1166 in Beaumont Palace, Oxford, Oxfordshire, England, United Kingdom. He died 9, 10 on 19 Oct 1216 in Newark Castle, Nottinghamshire, England, United Kingdom. He was buried in Cathedral, Worcester, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom. John married Mistress Clemence.

Other marriages:
TAILLEFER, Isabella de Angoulême

Reigned 1199-1216. Signed Magna Carta in 1215 at Runnymede. His reign saw renewal of war with Phillip II Augustus of France to whom he has lost several continental possesions including Normandy by 1205. He came into conflict with his Barons and was forced to Sign the Magna Carta. His later repudiation of the charter led to the first barons war 1215-17 during which John died. Burke says he was born in 1160. King of Ireland 1177, Count of Mortain 1189, Earl of Gloucester.

JOHN (1199-1216)

John (reigned 1199-1216) was an able administrator interested in law and government but he neither trusted others nor was trusted by them. Heavy taxation, disputes with the Church (John was excommunicated by the Pope in 1209) and unsuccessful attempts to recover his French possessions made him unpopular. Many of his barons rebelled and in June 1215 they forced the King to sign a peace treaty accepting their reforms.

This treaty, later known as Magna Carta, limited royal powers, defined feudal obligations between the King and the barons, and guaranteed a number of rights. The most influential clauses concerned the freedom of the Church; the redress of grievances of owners and tenants of land; the need to consult the Great Council of the Realm so as to prevent unjust taxation; mercantile and trading relationships; regulation of the machinery of justice so that justice be denied to no one; and the requirement to control the behaviour of royal officials. The most important clauses established the basis of habeas corpus ('you have the body'), i.e. that no one shall be imprisoned except by due process of law, and that 'to no one will we sell, to no one will we refuse or delay right or justice'.

The Charter also established a council of barons who were to ensure that the Sovereign observed the Charter, with the right to wage war on him if he did not. Magna Carta was the first formal document insisting that the Sovereign was as much under the rule of law as his people, and that the rights of individuals were to be upheld even against the wishes of the sovereign. As a source of fundamental constitutional principles, Magna Carta came to be seen as an important definition of aspects of English law, and in later centuries as the basis of the liberties of the English people.

As a peace treaty Magna Carta was a failure and the rebels invited Louis of France to become their king. When John died in 1216 England was in the grip of civil war.

Mistress Clemence 1. Clemence married John Lackland PLANTAGENET King of England.

They had the following children.

  F i Joan PLANTAGENET Princess of Wales was born before 1200. She died on 30 May 1236.

Geoffrey V "le Bon" PLANTAGENET Count d'Anjou [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 was born 7, 8 on 24 Aug 1113 in Anjou, France. He died 9, 10 on 7 Sep 1150 in Château-du-Loir, France. Geoffrey married 11, 12 Matilda (Maud) Empress of GERMANY Lady of the English on 3 Apr 1127 in Le Mans Cathedral, Anjou, France.

Other marriages:
PLANTAGENT, Concubine

From Magna Charta / Wurtz  FHL British 942 D2wj Pt. 1-2

537. MATILDA of England, called also Maud, born in 1102, died 30 January 1164. In 1114 she became the wife of Henry V, Emperor of Germany, who died without issue 23 May 1125. Her second husband, to whom she was married 3 April 1127, was No. 69 Geoffrey, surnamed Plantagenet, Count d'Anjou, born 1113, died 1151. The friends of Geoffrey were unaware that their playful nickname for him of Plantagenet would live through the years. The story is told that while disguised in battle, and to make himself known to his followers, he leaned from his horse and grasped a sprig of ‘plante de genet,  the common broom corn which grew thickly on the heath, and thrust it in his helmet. Thus he derived his popular title.

A noble person was Geoffrey, one of the most powerful princes of France, with "elegant and courtly manners and a reputation for gallantry in the field." His alliance with England came about in consequence of the great tragedy of the sinking of the famous White Ship. When it struck the hidden rocks off the coast of France, young William, Duke of Normandy, the heir apparent to the English throne, and three hundred others, were drowned in the freezing November waters, the Butcher of Rouen alone being saved.

King Henry I of England, in despair over the loss of his only son, sought the aid of Geoffrey Plantagenet and personally invested him with the order of Knighthood. Approving the marriage of his daughter Matilda with Geoffrey, King Henry expressed the hope that all Englishmen would give them full allegiance. The Barons took the oath to uphold the succession of Matilda and Geoffrey and their children after them. When, therefore, the sons Henry, Geoffrey and William were born, their grandfather thought the succession to the throne secure. However, "King Henry was no sooner dead than all the plans he had labored at so long crumbled away like a hollow heap of sand." Yet eventually, on 19 December 1154, Geoffrey's eldest son was crowned as King Henry II. and thus Geoffrey heads the line of English Kings which bear his Plantagenet name.

As eldest son of Fulk V. King of Jerusalem, and his wife, Ermengarde, daughter of Helias, Count of Maine, Geoffrey was of the House of Angevin Kings which had been prominent for three centuries. His noble character adds prestige to this illustrious background and merits the recognition given it by the formation of The Plantagenet Society, early instituted to commemorate these important historic events.

Matilda (Maud) Empress of GERMANY Lady of the English [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 was born 8, 9 in 1103/1104 in Winchester, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom. She died 10, 11, 12 on 10 Sep 1167 in Abbey of Notre Dame des Prés, Rouen. She was buried in Bec Abbey, Le Bec-Hellouin, Eure, France. Matilda married 13, 14 Geoffrey V "le Bon" PLANTAGENET Count d'Anjou on 3 Apr 1127 in Le Mans Cathedral, Anjou, France.

She was designated Henry's heir, and on his death (1135), Stephen siezed the throne and Matilda invaded England (1139) inuagurating a period of inconclusive civil war. She and her second husband (Geoffrey) captured Normandy and in 1152 the Treaty of Wallingford recognised Henry as Stephen's heir. Burke says she was betrothed in her eighth year (1119) to Henry.

MAUD OF ENGLAND, Empress of Almain, sometimes styled “Lady of the English” (rarely “Queen of the English”), widow of Henry V, Emperor of Almain (died 23 May 1125), and daughter and heiress of Henry I, King of England, Duke of Normandy, by his 1st wife, Maud, daughter of Malcolm III (Canmore), King of Scotland.  She was born at London 7 Feb. 1102.  They had three sons (see below).  By an unknown mistress (or mistresses), Geoffrey also had one son, Hamelin [5th Earl of Surrey], and two daughters, Emme and Mary (nun) [Abbess of Shaftesbury].  Maud was declared heir presumptive to her father in 1126.  On her father, King Henry I's death in 1135, she at once entered Normandy to claim her inheritance.  The border districts submitted to her, but England chose her cousin, Stephen, for its king, and Normandy soon followed suit.  The following year, Geoffrey gave Ambrières, Gorron, and Châtilon-sur-Colmont to Juhel de Mayenne, on condition that he help obtain the inheritance of Geoffrey's wife, Maud.  In 1139 Maud landed in England with 140 knights, where she was besieged at Arundel Castle by King Stephen.  In the civil war which ensued, Stephen was captured at Lincoln in Feb. 1141 and imprisoned at Bristol.  A legatine council of the English church held at Winchester in April 1141 declared Stephen deposed and proclaimed Maud “Lady of the English.”  Stephen was subsequently released from prison and had himself recrowned on the anniversary of his first coronation.  During 1142 and 1143, Geoffrey secured all of Normandy west and south of the Seine, and, on 14 Jan. 1144, he crossed the Seine and entered Rouen.  He assumed the title of Duke of Normandy in summer 1144.  In 1144 he founded an Augustine priory at Château-l'Ermitage in Anjou.  Geoffrey held the duchy until 1149, when he and Maud conjointly ceded it to their son, Henry, which cession was formally ratified by King Louis VII of France the following year.  GEOFFREY, Count of Anjou and Maine, died at Château-du-Loir 7 Sept. 1151, and was buried in St. Julien's, Le Mans, Maine.  In 1153 the Treaty of Westminster allowed Stephen should remain King of England for life and that Maud's son, Henry, should succeed him.  MAUD, late Empress of Almain, died at Rouen, Normandy 10 Sept. 1167, and was buried at Bec Abbey.  At her death, her wealth was distributed to the poor, and to various hospitals, churches, and monasteries.

They had the following children.

  F i
Agnes PLANTAGENET 1 was born about 1130 in Le Mans, Sarthe, France. She died in 1192 in of, Anyore, , England, United Kingdom.
  M ii Henry II PLANTAGENET King of England was born on 5 Mar 1133. He died on 6 Jul 1189.
  M iii
Geoffrey VI "Mantell" PLANTAGENET Count of Nantes 1, 2 was born on 3 Jun 1134 in Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. He died on 27 Jul 1157 in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France. He was buried in Nantes, Loire-Atlantique, France.

GEOFFREY, Knt., Count of Anjou and Nantes, held the castles of Chinon (Indre-et-Loire), Loudon (Vienne), and Mirebeau (Vienne) in France as his appanage, 2nd son, born at Rouen, Normandy about 1 June 1134.  He died without issue 26 July 1158.
  M iv
Guillaume PLANTAGENET Count of Poitou 1 was born on 21 Jul 1136 in Argentan, Orne, France. He died on 30 Jan 1163/1164 in Rouen, Seine-Maritime, France. He was buried in Notre Dame, Rouen, Seine-Maritime, Normandy, France.

WILLIAM LONGESPÉE (otherwise WILLIAM FITZ EMPRESS), Vicomte of Dieppexe “Dieppe”, of Throwley, Kent, North Luffenham, Rutland, and Acton and Oulton, Suffolk, 3rd son, born at Argentan 21 July 1136.  In the period, 1159-63, he sought to marry Isabel de Warennexe “Warenne, Isabel de”, Countess of Surreyxe “Surrey” [see WARENNE 2], widow of his cousin, William, Count of Boulognexe “Boulogne, William, Count of” and Mortainxe “Mortain” (son of King Stephen of Englandxe “England”).  The marriage was opposed by Archbishop Becket XE “Becket”  on grounds of affinity (he and her former husband being related in the 3rd degree of kindred).  WILLIAM LONGESPÉExe “Longespée” died at Rouen, Normandy 30 Jan. 1163/4, and was buried there in the Cathedral.

Henry II PLANTAGENET King of England [Parents] [scrapbook] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 was born 7, 8, 9, 10 on 5 Mar 1133 in Le Mans, Anjou, France. He died 11, 12 on 6 Jul 1189 in Chinon Castle, Indre et Loire, France. He was buried on 8 Jul 1189 in Fontevrault Abbey, Fontevrault, Maine-Et-Loire, France. Henry married Ida (Bigod) PLANTAGENET Countess of Norfolk.

Other marriages:
AQUITAINE, Elbeonore Princess of

Henry II, King of England, was born at Le Mans, Normandy in 1133.  As the son of Count Geoffrey Plantagenet of Anjou and Matilda, daughter of King Henry I, Henry became Duke of Normandy in 1150, and after his father's death in 1151, was named Count of Anjou.

In 1152 he married Eleanor of Aquitaine, thereby acquiring the Duchy of Aquitaine.  When Henry became King of England, after Stephen's death in 1154, he reigned over one of the most extensive realms in western Europe.

Henry II's first objective as King was to regain the royal powers of his grandfather King Henry I.  He did this by reclaiming royal lands and castles, by recovering northern English counties from the Scots, and by revamping the systems of finance, administration, and justice.

His early success, however, did not aid Henry in his attempts to re-establish the acceptance of the Church customs of his grandfather's time.  Henry met with strong opposition from Thomas a Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, who resisted Henry's wishes for regal authority in punishing convicted clergy of crimes.  Becket felt that this power should be reserved for the Church courts, not the throne. In turn, Henry exiled Becket, and in 1170, Becket was murdered by four of Henry's knights who hoped that the killing would please Henry.  On the contrary, Becket's death left Henry with a feeling of great distress, and he prudently escaped to Ireland while matters settled down.  In 1171, while on temporary leave, he was accepted as Lord of Ireland.

King Henry II reconciled with the Church in 1172, but other problems were on the horizon.  In 1173 family matters boiled to the point of rebellion.  After years of being constantly unfaithful to his wife, Eleanor, and of denying his sons the power their titles should have secured, Henry was plotted against by his family who allied themselves with King Louis VII of France, the Count of Flanders, King William of Scotland, and other dissatisfied nobles.  Henry, being sufficiently warned and protected by loyal, capable officers, managed to defeat the rebels and to capture his wife in 1174.

During his later years, Henry II was successful in making constructive changes in England.  His greatest achievements include drawing up laws and organizing the courts to administer them properly and professionalizing the entire administration in general to allow his country more justice than it had ever known.

Despite Henry's great accomplishments, the quarrels and jealousies of his sons persisted.  In 1189 Henry was forced to make humiliating peace, and, broken by the attacks of his sons, he died two days later on July 6, 1189 at Chinon, France.

Major Events

1150 - Named Duke of Normandy.
1151 - Named Count of Anjou.
1152 - Married Eleanor of Aquitaine.
1170 - Murder of Archbishop of Canterbury; Henry left for Ireland.
1171 - Became Lord of Ireland.
1172 - Reconciled with the Church.
1173 - Family rebeled against him.
1174 - Defeated the rebels.
1189 - Family humiliated Henry; he died.

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King Henry II's reconstruction of the justice system in England led to great progress in his time.  By using the Roman legal concept of a distinction between the possession of property and the absolute right to property, Henry made it possible for those who had been physically dispossessed of their land to get a fair trial in court, instead of having to duel for the land.

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HENRY II CURTMANTLE (r. 1154-1189)

Henry II ruled over an empire which stretched from the Scottish border to the Pyrenees. One of the strongest, most energetic and imaginative rulers, Henry was the inheritor of three dynasties who had acquired Aquitaine by marriage; his charters listed them: 'King of the English, Duke of the Normans and Aquitanians and Count of the Angevins'. The King spent only 13 years of his reign in England; the other 21 years were spent on the continent in his territories in what is now France. Henry's rapid movements in carrying out his dynastic responsibilities astonished the French king, who noted 'now in England, now in Normandy, he must fly rather than travel by horse or ship'.

By 1158, Henry had restored to the Crown some of the lands and royal power lost by Stephen; Malcom IV of Scotland was compelled to return the northern counties. Locally chosen sheriffs were changed into royally appointed agents charged with enforcing the law and collecting taxes in the counties. Personally interested in government and law, Henry made use of juries and re-introduced the sending of justices (judges) on regular tours of the country to try cases for the Crown. His legal reforms have led him to be seen as the founder of English Common Law.

Henry's disagreements with the Archbishop of Canterbury (the king's former chief adviser), Thomas à Becket, over Church-State relations ended in Becket's murder in 1170 and a papal interdict on England. Family disputes over territorial ambitions almost wrecked the king's achievements. Henry died in France in 1189, at war with his son Richard, who had joined forces with King Philip of France to attack Normandy.

Ida (Bigod) PLANTAGENET Countess of Norfolk [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born about 1164 in Norfolk, England, United Kingdom. Ida married Henry II PLANTAGENET King of England.

Was wife of Roger Bigod at the time she conceived William with King Henry II.


An Assessment of a Crux in Medieval English Genealogy
By Paul C. Reed, FASG

One of the most intriguing and elusive problems in medieval English genealogy is the identity of the mother of William Longespée, favored bastard of Henry II, who was made Earl of Salisbury. It was not until 1611, in Speed's History of Great Britain, that the claim that William Longespée was Henry's son by the fair Rosamond de Clifford was first published, and since proliferated. No medieval chronicle makes this claim.
The author of the article on Rosamond that appeared in the Dictionary of National Biography [DNB] was able to conclude that she could not have been mother of William Longespée, but documentary evidence of the correct identity of his mother did not surface until publication of the Bradenstoke Cartulary. In two miscellaneous charters granting unimportant lands to the priory, William refers to his mother as “Countess Ida.” These gifts were not part of a foundation charter, but two obscure donations for which there would have been no apparent motive to forge or falsify.

In these two charters William Longespée, Earl of Salisbury, refers to his mother as Comitissa Ida, mater mea and Ida comitissa, mater mea. These entries occur in two different manuscripts and in different topographical sections and seem unlikely to be the result of scribal error. Slight confirmation can be found in the fact that one of William's daughters was christened Ida....

If we cannot determine who Countess Ida was, can we determine where she was when Henry had his way with her? If William was born in January or February 1170, he would have been conceived in the spring of 1169. Henry II left England from Southampton in March 1166 and remained on the continent in France until he returned on 3 March 1170 (landing at Portsmouth, but departing England again on 24 June).”8 Whoever “Countess Ida” was, it is clear that she must have been in France-not England-when William was conceived.

At this point, though a thorough examination has been made of English candidates, the identity of Countess Ida, mother of William Longespee, remains elusive Given the Toeni ties in Normandy, it is still possible that Ida of Hainault may have had a daughter named Ida who was in Normandy in 1169, but it must be emphasized that this is just a theory at this point.”9 A careful examination of continental women named Ida would seem the next course in research.

Note:      After this issue went to press, Raymond Phair posted evidence on GEN-MEDIEVAL--L/ soc.genealogy.medieval that William Longespée's mother was indeed the wife of Roger Bigod, Earl of Norfolk.

The above excerpts are from: TAG Vol. 77, pg. 137, 149 .

Below is a copy of the posted evidence on GEN-MEDIEVAL.

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After he was created an earl, William Longespee issued two charters for Bradenstoke priory, Wiltshire, in which countess Ida was described as his mother; as the editor observed, this offers a reason why he named one of his daughters Ida [1].

While there were several countesses named Ida in 12th c. France, the only one known occurring in England at this time was the wife of Roger Bigod, earl of Norfolk, leading to the guess that she was William's mother [2].

As it turns out there is evidence that Ida countess of Norfolk was William's mother. Among the prisoners captured at the battle of Bouvines, Flanders, in 1214 was Ralph Bigod, described as a brother of William (Longespee) earl of Salisbury [3].

Two Ralph Bigods have been found in the records, but the older one was already an adult by 1156-62 and thus unlikely to have fought in a battle over 50 years later [4]. The other Ralph was a younger son of Roger Bigod, earl of Norfolk, whom the editors identify as still living in 1219 [5, 6]. This later Ralph seems very likely to have been the half-brother of earl William.

The French compilers of the prisoners list would probably have had a greater interest in his connection to William earl of Salisbury, one of the commanders in the battle, than to his father who is not known to have participated [7].

It may turn out to be only coincidence, but another Bradenstoke charter of earl William, dated by London as 1198/1199, was witnessed by, among others, Hugh Bigod and William Bigod [1]. These happen to be the names of both earl Roger Bigod's half-brothers and two of his sons. Both of the half-brothers were living at this time; Hugh was the older one [8]. It is not clear if both sons would have been old enough to witness a charter of their half-brother, nor is it certain that earl Roger's son William was still alive. London did not attempt to identify the witnesses.

[1] "The cartulary of Bradenstoke priory", ed. V.C.M. London, 1979,     pp.8-9, nos.481, 645, 646.
[2] G.B. Roberts, "The royal descents of 500 immigrants", 1993, pp.vi, 348-364, credits Douglas Richardson with the identification of countess Ida as the wife of earl Roger Bigod, although no proof was provided. The subject of earl William's mother has generated numerous postings. See the archives.
[3] "Les registres de Philippe Augustus", ed. J.W. Baldwin, 1992, miscellanea no.13.
[4] "Recueil des actes de Henri II", ed. L. Delisle & E. Berger, 1:no. 4 (1); see also no.75 (spurious).
[5] "Complete Peerage", 9:586-7n, 589n (1936, repr. 1982), ed. G.H. White & E. Stokes; "Rotuli litterarum clausarum", ed. T.D. Hardy, 5:1 (1). This might refer to his ransom after his capture at Bouvines.
[6] The name Ralph seems to have made its first appearance in the Bigod family with Roger and Ida's son, perhaps introduced from Ida's family. No link has been found, so far, between the older Ralph Bigod and the comital family.
[7] Rolls series no.57, 7v, 1872-83, ed. H.R. Luard, 2:578-9. Cf. J. Bradbury, "Philip Auguste: king of France 1180-1223", 1998, chapter 10; W.L. Warren, "King John", 1978, pp.223-4; G. Duby, "The legend
of Bouvines", transl. C. Tihanyi, 1990. Duby confused earl William Longespee with his father-in-law.
[8] Earl William Longespee witnessed many charters of king John; one of these was a confirmation of the marriage of William Bigod, earl Roger's half-brother [Pipe Roll Society 55:no.234 (1939)].

Ray Phair

Copyright 2002 by R. W. Phair

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They had the following children.

  M i William LONGESPEE Earl of Salisbury was born about 1170. He died on 7 Mar 1225/1226.

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